The Last Interview
If you are new to my blog, you might want to read my previous posts about my friend and author Norm Schriever and his book,Pushups In the Prayer Room (you can buy the book on NormSchriever.com). The idea for his book started from his blog (same title) where he posted excerpts from his trip around the world. Here is my last interview with Norm about his book. If you haven’t read it yet, get on that will you?

Source: Norm Schriever; volunteering at an orphanage in Thailand.
1. One of the best lines in the book is…”Human beings need certain things to survive, and just as much as food, water, and shelter, we need hope to uplift our spirits and love to nourish our hearts.” (Pushups In the Prayer Room) I’m sure you felt it as you wrote it. What changed in Thailand that you felt the need to help the children who watched you play basketball? You had seen children all over the world in these conditions, but now you made the choice to help. Why?
Actually we had helped kids and people in need all over the world, but it was just in that chapter that I documented how we started focusing on it more. In the beginning of the trip we were partying a lot more, but still always tried to help as many people as we could. It just became more of a priority about half way through the trip, and we began volunteering for the Red Cross and such. We had to pick and choose our battles, because there is SO much poverty and depravationthat we could have given a penny to every deserving person we saw and go through all of our money in a short time.

Source: Norm Schriever; Bomb scare Isreal
2. When you were in Isreal, you went for a walk near a beach and then found out there was a bomb in the sand. You just walked away calmly. It didn’t seem to shake you up. Why not? Did you feel as if you’d seen so much it didn’t matter at that point?
It really didn’t shake me up at all. It’s amazing what human beings can adapt to, but just like the other Israelis and Palestinians in the area, the threat of violence was a daily reality, so I grew a sense of fatalism, maybe as a psychological shield. The violence and terrorism occurred so randomly that there was nothing I could do to fight backor try to avoid it, so there was no reason to stress about it. Que sera sera.

Source: Norm Schriever; fruit market in Egypt
3.We in this country sometimes steal to have more than our basic needs. Your stories highlight those who steal in order to meet those basic needs. Did you see that as a more justified reason? Did you look a blind eye to theft, as long as it wasn’t your money, while traveling?
I didn’t turn a blind eye to it, but I also understood that it wasn’t personal. I guess I also feel like it’s not my place to judge, because when I was younger I was so wild and stole everything that wasn’t bolted down, despite my comfortable middle class upbringing, so who the hell was I to condemn them? But when a hungry beggar runs by your table and grabs a roll off of your plate and keeps running, it’s hard not to feel sorry for them, and I guess it doesn’t make it right, but ethics won’t fill your empty stomach. In Maslow’s Hierarchy of Needs we see that human beings cannot achieve higher levels of consciousness- of altruism and purpose- without first having their basic needs of food, water, and safety met. I know that I would be no different if I were in their position.

Source: Norm Schriever; Inca trail
4. Before you left on your journey, you went into town and a man gave you his necklace. He told you there was magic in the beads and that they would bring you good luck. Considering what happened to you and how close you were to death, do you now believe in some of the superstitions of Peru? I absolutely love the moral code of the Incas. Have you tried to live up to it since your journey?
I really feel that for something to be true, you just need people to believe in it. I see all of our religions and spirituality and stories and superstitions to be connected. It’s all the same thing, no matter how we try to describe or create false separations. I felt the magic of the culture, and so did the Incas for a thousand years, so who was I to deny that?
I loved the Inca moral code as well- it’s so simple, yet all- encompassing. I don’t think I consciously tried to live up to that, though those very values did become big parts of my life, so maybe it was inside of me more than I thought.

Source: Norm Schriever; MachuPichu
5. Ok. I have to ask this. As a mother, this chapter was hard to read. I wanted to smack you, as I’m sure your mother did as well. When you were climbing Machu Pichu, why did you decide to use the water, knowing full well it was contaminated? Did you decide not to get airlifted to a hospital for financial reasons? Were the porters that were helping the other tourists aware of your illness?
I boiled the water so I thought it was fine. It takes a pretty strong parasite to survive that! We were out on the trail with no tour group, no guide, and there was no authority. I’d have no idea who to ask to try and get airlifted out, or if that was even possible. I’m sure everyone was aware of my illness! Hahaha. If I had passed out on the side of the trail and couldn’t go on, I’m sure someone would have tried to help, but I just soldiered on so they probably didn’t even think about it. You know my mom did worry incessantly about this chapter. That’s funny to me because I was in greater danger almost every day!

Source: Norm Schriever; barrios of Caracas, Venezuela
6. The taxi driver in Caracas, Venezuela stuck his neck out for you during the “almost carjacking”. I’m sure his overall motive was to save his own life, but his willingness to explain what was happening leads me to believe that he was a good person. How did the locals feel about the lack of police protection in these areas? Do they simply mark them off on maps as areas to never travel to?
Yeah, that taxi driver was cool. He was a veteran of that kind of thing, for sure. The locals have never known anything else so that’s their “normal”. Just like it’s our normal in the US that there are areas or neighborhoods you don’t go into. And how do we know not to go into them? We just know by what we observe. But most of Caracas is super dangerous- I recently heard that they’ve had twice as many murders as Mexico City last year. It’s all part of their daily existence for the vast majority of people there, not an exception for a few, so they’re not trespassing but living there.
I hope these questions have left you hungry to read his book. They’ve made me want to reread it! Thank you Norm for the opportunity to pre-read your book and ask whatever I wanted. I also sincerely appreciate the mention in the dedication. Good luck my friend!
*You can find Norm’s book at NormSchriever.com!